Shohaku Okumura parle de lui en ces termes à la page 173.
« As a teenager I could not believe that there is a God who judges human activity, so I became nihilistic and conpletely lost. Il felt that I could not do anything, not even commit suicide. To commit suicide, I would need a reason to do so, but if life has no meaning, to kill myself would also be meaningless. I felt I could not live and I could not die; I faced a dead end. As you can imagine,my high school life was not a joyful one ». (Realizing Genjô Kôan p. 173)